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they looked at mitt romney. he came in and talk to detail about what he was going to do, i understood the issues, understand the facts, could put them together in more than bumper sticker fashion, could address the kinds of problems we have, knows why we don't have jobs and what we have to do to fix it. oh, my gosh. this is not the romney of the hate adds that obama has put on television. this is really the guy as governor who fix massachusetts. neil: i will disagree with you on the incumbent. but i will -- >> maybe it is incoherent and incompetent. neil: i do find this interesting. did in an altercation with somebody. after failing last night i got a sense it was like a bowery boys. i'm going to do this to him in this to him. this is a president today the day after the debate, all loaded for bear. of what your reaction. >> mitt romney we all know invested in companies that were called pioneers of outsourcing jobs to other countries. the guy on stage last night, he said that he doesn't even know that there are s
they looked at mitt romney. he came in and talk to detail about what he was going to do, i understood the issues, understand the facts, could put them together in more than bumper sticker fashion, could address the kinds of problems we have, knows why we don't have jobs and what we have to do to fix it. oh, my gosh. this is not the romney of the hate adds that obama has put on television. this is really the guy as governor who fix massachusetts. neil: i will disagree with you on the incumbent....
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if i'm romney, you try to create that momentum. he saw a sign to do it. >> of the eight presidential races in the past 10 where the leads were cut or flipped by the opponent, the average of the comebacks was roughly 5%. in some cases it was a debate that moved the needle. harris? >> mike, thank you of the let's go to syria where the u.n. is estimating more than 20,000 citizens have died in the uprising against the government in the past year and a half. [gunfire] >> obviously you can hear the gunfire as fighting between the rebels and government forces in aleppo intensifies. one activist saying no one is making gains. this has been a key point for them fighting there, and people there are so frightened of the snipers they're leaving dead bodies lying in the streets. >>> meanwhile the fighting sparking a major fire in the city's medieval market. this was actually once a major tourist attraction and world heritage site. activists say there was shelling and gunfire, and some 100 shops were destroyed. >>> now to yemen, they're saying o
if i'm romney, you try to create that momentum. he saw a sign to do it. >> of the eight presidential races in the past 10 where the leads were cut or flipped by the opponent, the average of the comebacks was roughly 5%. in some cases it was a debate that moved the needle. harris? >> mike, thank you of the let's go to syria where the u.n. is estimating more than 20,000 citizens have died in the uprising against the government in the past year and a half. [gunfire] >> obviously...
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mitt romney's had a lot of debates. he went through a long primary practice where he got beat up a lot and got to beat up other people. barack obama had no primary process and has not been in a debate since his debates in the last election. so i think he's got -- he's not in fighting shape is my guess and all these practices he's doing, are to get him in the fighting shape. hopefully they have enough time to do it and hopefully he has a sparring opponent in john kerry who is not pulling any punches, not being as respectful to him as his staff might be and showing him that mitt romney is going to get on the stage knowing this is probably his last chance and he's going to be very aggressive in taking on obama. >> steve, thank you very much for your time. >> good to be here. >> steve, what do you think about this idea that debates don't usually change the race entirely all by themselves, but they confirm the narrative that has already been going on in the country? >> well, they can confirm the narrative but we keep coming
mitt romney's had a lot of debates. he went through a long primary practice where he got beat up a lot and got to beat up other people. barack obama had no primary process and has not been in a debate since his debates in the last election. so i think he's got -- he's not in fighting shape is my guess and all these practices he's doing, are to get him in the fighting shape. hopefully they have enough time to do it and hopefully he has a sparring opponent in john kerry who is not pulling any...
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and when will this miserable chapter in american history finally be finished also we all know mitt romney would have no foreign policy of it in the head and now fox news is trying to make president obama look like a foreign policy quack too is this the right's plan the heading into november and their so-called october surprise for american voters and from paper and pens to computers and desk chairs staples business model as all of your office needs covered unfortunately staples business model has the destruction of the american economy covered to tell you why and i still eat it. most of the rest of the news this week the two thousand and three u.s. soldier was killed in afghanistan this is the nation's longest running war and it's also the forgotten war the two thousand death of an american soldier didn't get near the attention it deserves in our corporate media nor did how many afghan civilians have been killed in this war the u.n. estimates that more than thirteen thousand innocent afghan civilians have died so far although the u.n. only started keeping track in two thousand and seven s
and when will this miserable chapter in american history finally be finished also we all know mitt romney would have no foreign policy of it in the head and now fox news is trying to make president obama look like a foreign policy quack too is this the right's plan the heading into november and their so-called october surprise for american voters and from paper and pens to computers and desk chairs staples business model as all of your office needs covered unfortunately staples business model...
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. >> as president obama and mitt romney prepare to debate, we look and how the democrats and republicans signed secret contracts, that among other things, shut out third parties from the presidential debates. then guns on campus. months after a former student opened fire at a movie theater in aurora, colorado, the university of colorado changes the rules to allow some students to carry concealed weapons on campus. >> i highly disagree with the change on campus. even though this is a state-run school, we should not have guns on campus. no guns on campus. >> members of a florida-based coalition take on the food giant to play. the company it being asked to trade foodaia fair agreement. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are on the road in denver, colorado. the obama administration has launched the first ups toward military action against the suspects on the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya last month. special operations command could have been used to capture militants deemed to have been involved in those actions ki
. >> as president obama and mitt romney prepare to debate, we look and how the democrats and republicans signed secret contracts, that among other things, shut out third parties from the presidential debates. then guns on campus. months after a former student opened fire at a movie theater in aurora, colorado, the university of colorado changes the rules to allow some students to carry concealed weapons on campus. >> i highly disagree with the change on campus. even though this is a...
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beth myers, governor romney's individualer says she -- romney's adviser, blooms. since he won't and can't talk about his record, he will talk about mitt romney. the gloves will come off. megyn: beautiful wayne, p.a. out in oregon today there is new controversy. hundreds of millions in taxpayer dollars in loans about to go to a startup solar company called solopower. many are comparing this to solyndra, the company that went bankrupt, leaving taxpayers on the hook. it's not just this controversy we want to tell you about, but what happened when fox news tried to speak with the company's ceo. dan springer streaming live from solo power in portland, oregon. >> reporter: the ceo refused to answer any of our questions at grand opening yesterday, even after taking questions from other media. solopower is getting lot of money from the government. we wanted to ask him why his company was a better gamble for taxpayers than solyndra or the others. the companies use the same raw materials. they both make thin, light, flexible solar panels that can go object big box store roo
beth myers, governor romney's individualer says she -- romney's adviser, blooms. since he won't and can't talk about his record, he will talk about mitt romney. the gloves will come off. megyn: beautiful wayne, p.a. out in oregon today there is new controversy. hundreds of millions in taxpayer dollars in loans about to go to a startup solar company called solopower. many are comparing this to solyndra, the company that went bankrupt, leaving taxpayers on the hook. it's not just this controversy...
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romney did. he talked about it after it was over. >> we spoke about the greatest national security threat we faced. the world faces. iran with nuclear capabilities. we spoke about this assessment of where the red line ought to be drawn. my own views with regard to iran. he spoke of red line and gave a date, which was spring and summer of next year. he said he expected an attack by june of this year. they a offering an olive branch to the president. it's recognition on part of israelis that the chances of obama re-election are rising. >> i bant to say a word. somewhat defense of romney on the libya piece. everybody would go after him for exploiting the tragedy for the political purposes. he was in a no-win situation. >> yeah. i think if way to sol that is put it in broader context. iraq had 155,000 american troops and now has 150 troops in it. conduit for iran to syria. the region is going in chaos. and barack obama who ironically ran foreign policy to keep it out of the news the first term is get
romney did. he talked about it after it was over. >> we spoke about the greatest national security threat we faced. the world faces. iran with nuclear capabilities. we spoke about this assessment of where the red line ought to be drawn. my own views with regard to iran. he spoke of red line and gave a date, which was spring and summer of next year. he said he expected an attack by june of this year. they a offering an olive branch to the president. it's recognition on part of israelis...
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it will give an opportunity for mitt romney, he hopes, romney hopes to call out the president on some of the deceptions of his positions. mitt romney has argued that he does not support abortion with the exception of rape and incest and life of the mother. barack obama campaign has suggested romney shares paul ryan's view that doesn't have exception. he says the auto bailout, so that is romney is looking for and in case of president obama. what he with a really wants to do is make sure this doesn't become a discussion in the last three and a half years but a discussion how the next four years would be spent in a choice for the voters between the romney obama agenda. >> gregg: all right. carl cameron, thanks very much. >> president obama arriving in las vegas moments ago. we'll have a live report a bit later in the newscast. >> heather: meantime, controversy growing over the deadly attack in libya. into new calls investigation in assault that killed chris steens and three other americans. more questions are being raised over the obama administration's official version of what happened.
it will give an opportunity for mitt romney, he hopes, romney hopes to call out the president on some of the deceptions of his positions. mitt romney has argued that he does not support abortion with the exception of rape and incest and life of the mother. barack obama campaign has suggested romney shares paul ryan's view that doesn't have exception. he says the auto bailout, so that is romney is looking for and in case of president obama. what he with a really wants to do is make sure this...
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romney, that was then. now on that and a number of issues, he seems to be trying to downplay what he once described as his severely conservative record and recast himself as more centrist on some issues. the shift, you might have noticed, began moments after this handshake at the debate in denver. mr. romney struck centrist sounding positions on government regulation, education and most notably, health care. >> if obama care is repealed, how would you replace it? >> actually, it's a lengthy description but number one, pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. >> pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. keeping them honest, that assurance is misleading and a short time later, a top campaign adviser had to clarify what his boss actually meant. under mr. romney's plan, he said, pre-existing conditions would only be covered for people who already have insurance to begin with, but are changing jobs and therefore, health insurance plans. that's not who most people think of when it comes to pre-
romney, that was then. now on that and a number of issues, he seems to be trying to downplay what he once described as his severely conservative record and recast himself as more centrist on some issues. the shift, you might have noticed, began moments after this handshake at the debate in denver. mr. romney struck centrist sounding positions on government regulation, education and most notably, health care. >> if obama care is repealed, how would you replace it? >> actually, it's a...
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hasn't helped romney. but the fact is again, it's the insurance companies paying for this. not the catholic church and obama is polling well among catholics. >> we're talking about the political calculus here. and like i said, he won women big in 08. lost them big in 2010. so he needed to get them back. hence all of this scare tactics. remember, look, it's so degrading to give this message to -- i agree, he's had a lot of success in these scare messages. but women's issues are every american's issues. jobs and the economy. that's something romney has to say i don't care if you're a man or woman. i'm going to give you a healthy jobs market. that rebounds to the benefit of everybody, men and women. >> is it degrading to say women want free stuff and they'll buy whatever obama puts out and they're not paying -- >> free birth control. >> is that significant to women that they vote because they want free stuff? >> bill: don't you think it was degrading for a 30-year-old georgetown woman demand that they -- >> i
hasn't helped romney. but the fact is again, it's the insurance companies paying for this. not the catholic church and obama is polling well among catholics. >> we're talking about the political calculus here. and like i said, he won women big in 08. lost them big in 2010. so he needed to get them back. hence all of this scare tactics. remember, look, it's so degrading to give this message to -- i agree, he's had a lot of success in these scare messages. but women's issues are every...
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adding on romney. romney is not my issue here. not only decide to support obama on this issue the last two weeks, what we see is a press that has decided that it will not tell the american people the truth. not only tell people oho they may or may not vote for but now telling people what truth they may know and what truth they may not know. >> what is the truth? look, we have covered this story responsibly here on the factor, all right? >> you have. >> but i only take it up to where the facts lie. and that's why i gave the time line. and the other thing is unfortunately the folks don't care about this story. they don't. the massive amount of people in america. not people who watch cable news and listen to talk radio but just the folks watching dancing with stars and nfl and world wrestling, they don't care about the libyan story. they don't care about the libyan ambassador unfortunately. it's hard to make them care. >> if you don't tell them, then how will they care? let me just say. this we had an incident where, you know, the da
adding on romney. romney is not my issue here. not only decide to support obama on this issue the last two weeks, what we see is a press that has decided that it will not tell the american people the truth. not only tell people oho they may or may not vote for but now telling people what truth they may know and what truth they may not know. >> what is the truth? look, we have covered this story responsibly here on the factor, all right? >> you have. >> but i only take it up to...
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did not expect romney to hold that heat and romney was able to out obama, obama. >> mitt romney wins preparation and style. >>neil: something here is going on the last 24 hours because don't look nw, but this just in: do not resuscitate. the patient is fine. suddenly, out of nowhere, the mormon is stormin'. >> welcome, everyone, i ambassador neil cavuto and this is what a roaring romney sounded like. >> trickle down government is where the president will raise taxes on small business which kills jobs. i want to keep taxes down on small business so we can create jobs. this is about good jobs for the american people. >>neil: he swings, slams, scores, way too early to say if the swing states swinging back to the challenger but after last night, the critics say they probably stopped swinging away. larry said the race ain't over but he also is saying for the challenger it is an uphill fight. what do you make of last night and how this changes the dynamics? >> everyone, obviously, just about everyone, from right to left, says that romney won the debate. i gave you a full "a" and i give the
did not expect romney to hold that heat and romney was able to out obama, obama. >> mitt romney wins preparation and style. >>neil: something here is going on the last 24 hours because don't look nw, but this just in: do not resuscitate. the patient is fine. suddenly, out of nowhere, the mormon is stormin'. >> welcome, everyone, i ambassador neil cavuto and this is what a roaring romney sounded like. >> trickle down government is where the president will raise taxes on...
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romney: "it's time to stand up to the cheaters" vo: tough on china? not mitt romney. when a flood of chinese tires threatened a thousand american jobs... it was president obama who stood up to china and protected american workers. mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? >>> house republicans want answer from the secretary of state herself. cnn has obtain aid letter to hillary clinton demanding to know why more wasn't done to protect american diplomats on the ground in the months leading up to the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. our jill dougherty is reporting that the gop is also charging that requests for additional security were ignored. >> reporter: congressional republicans charged there were numerous threats, security braechz, and attacks in libya leading up to the killing of ambassador chris stevens and three other americans. for example, stevens, they say, took regular early morning jogs around tripoli with memb
romney: "it's time to stand up to the cheaters" vo: tough on china? not mitt romney. when a flood of chinese tires threatened a thousand american jobs... it was president obama who stood up to china and protected american workers. mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? >>> house republicans want answer from the secretary of...
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going to see who is mitt romney. what kind of president he is going to be and what choices. that is what matters, i know what president obama has done, i know ail the empty promises and i know about the ugly stagnant economy. what is romney and paul ryan is offering. if we get that out of wednesday, the country will understand what the choices are. >> eric: good morning. 72 hours before the debate and mr. ryan laid it all out. >> chris: i suspect he didn't give all the secrets away but he says romney has to make eight choice. it would seem obvious but up until now the komz campaign has been talking about a referendum on obama, it's all about obama's record and they have to show that romney is a credible alternative. now, they are saying, no. it's a choice between obama's record and plan for the future which they say are stagnation for the economy and dependency by more and more people versus romney's plan for opportunity and growth. they clearly decided it has to be contrasting visions why obama is wrong and they cla
going to see who is mitt romney. what kind of president he is going to be and what choices. that is what matters, i know what president obama has done, i know ail the empty promises and i know about the ugly stagnant economy. what is romney and paul ryan is offering. if we get that out of wednesday, the country will understand what the choices are. >> eric: good morning. 72 hours before the debate and mr. ryan laid it all out. >> chris: i suspect he didn't give all the secrets away...
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but governor romney is planning a new speech. the following two presidential debates will include that. megyn: meantime president barack obama is in henderson, nevada. some say the city of henderson is a microcosm of the economy we have seen over the past few years. yet the latest polls show the race in nevada is neck and neck and that is causing -- ed henry live in vegas. hey, ed. >> the president -- they are calling it debate camp in henderson. 20 miles from where i am right now it's an opulent resort known as lake las vegas that is symbol i of the boom and bust. that whole lake las vegas resort where the president is doing his debate prep. it's modeled after an italian village. it went bankrupt the last few years. it's now sort of coming back and the president is hoping that is a microcosm that he's pushing this recovery along slowly, not just mere in nevada but all along the country. it's interesting to hear john roberts about chris christie raising expectations for mitt romney. the president at a rally in vegas last night tr
but governor romney is planning a new speech. the following two presidential debates will include that. megyn: meantime president barack obama is in henderson, nevada. some say the city of henderson is a microcosm of the economy we have seen over the past few years. yet the latest polls show the race in nevada is neck and neck and that is causing -- ed henry live in vegas. hey, ed. >> the president -- they are calling it debate camp in henderson. 20 miles from where i am right now it's an...
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mitt romney in denver. it will make the way for the future of the counsel rye. >> these debates are an opportunity for each much us to describe the path way forward for americans. >> i am concerned about having a serious discussion about what to do to keep it growing. >> gretchen: the high-stakes debate on domestic policy kicks off 9:00 p.m. >> steve: the president is holed up with john kerry. he said debate prep and they are making him do his home work bohoo >> brian: he was being sarcastic. but is everyone saying that the debates don't matter . they have talked about each other. and the ones who say even the benghazi hasn't thwarted the bounce president obama has gotten. of course it matters and remember what happened when john kerry did so well against president obama? >> gretchen: this is why people will tune in tomorrow because we haven't seen them together on the same stage. it is ohio and nevada, and florida and virginia. but they are not on the same stage hopefully geth the same question and so you
mitt romney in denver. it will make the way for the future of the counsel rye. >> these debates are an opportunity for each much us to describe the path way forward for americans. >> i am concerned about having a serious discussion about what to do to keep it growing. >> gretchen: the high-stakes debate on domestic policy kicks off 9:00 p.m. >> steve: the president is holed up with john kerry. he said debate prep and they are making him do his home work bohoo >>...
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so you've got white guy mitt romney. is saying he said to the first african-american president of states he said my boy yes. and so there's this there's this whole other level of dynamic that's really important to get when president obama went on c.b.s. news this was literally two or three months ago and use the word damn he simply used the word damn or that there was an interview and he said you know i'm. damned something i don't remember the exact phrase but. the headline on drudge the next day was obama goes street giant letters everybody was all freaked out about what it was and all these and the and this is and then today you had sununu coming out calling him lazy last night it was new talking about rhythm and the day before yesterday it was sean hannity going on it is terrible oh my god he can talk with a black accent you know we never knew you know this blogger in the white house so he's navigating some very very very dangerous waters there read him and say east st louis illinois he read what's what's on your mind
so you've got white guy mitt romney. is saying he said to the first african-american president of states he said my boy yes. and so there's this there's this whole other level of dynamic that's really important to get when president obama went on c.b.s. news this was literally two or three months ago and use the word damn he simply used the word damn or that there was an interview and he said you know i'm. damned something i don't remember the exact phrase but. the headline on drudge the next...
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media sort of wishful thinking, trying too write off romney. i normally do not buy into the idea media is on board on one side. this the exception. this campaign season has been especially egregious in terms of them ignoring things that are bad about president obama and obsessing over things that mitt romney has done wrong. >> rick: cal, why? >> why? do you have to ask. my goodness. first of all these polls, we talked about this before on the show. i'm opposed to news organizations doing their own polls and making news from them. what you are going to see ten days, two weeks before the election is lot of story line being, hey the race is night thing because they want ratings the but these things are sophisticated form of fortune telling. i passed on the way studio, psychic, let me stop the cab and see who is going to win the election but it's the same approach. >> rick: the narrative that gets plays out in the media. it's almost over. if romney doesn't score, big in the first debate in denver this coming week, that it definitely is over. his do
media sort of wishful thinking, trying too write off romney. i normally do not buy into the idea media is on board on one side. this the exception. this campaign season has been especially egregious in terms of them ignoring things that are bad about president obama and obsessing over things that mitt romney has done wrong. >> rick: cal, why? >> why? do you have to ask. my goodness. first of all these polls, we talked about this before on the show. i'm opposed to news organizations...
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>> yes. >> romney? >> no. >> romney looked way more presidential. >> obama looked like he wanted to have a serious debate. he wasn't interrupting jim lehrer. >> my favorite actually, too. but i took a second look. >> we had the same one. this is what i liked because i like people that are very organized and know what they're talk being and make -- romney loves a list and he had five things. he had it in memory. >> my plan has five basic parts. one, get us ingee independent, north america energy independent. that creates 4 million jobs. two, open up more trade, particularly in latin america. crack down on china if and when they cheat. number three, make sure our people have the skills they need to succeed. and the best schools in the world. we're far away from that now. number 4, get to us a balanced budget. number 5, champion small business. it's small business that creates the jobs in america. and over the last four years, small business people have decided that america may not be the place to open a n
>> yes. >> romney? >> no. >> romney looked way more presidential. >> obama looked like he wanted to have a serious debate. he wasn't interrupting jim lehrer. >> my favorite actually, too. but i took a second look. >> we had the same one. this is what i liked because i like people that are very organized and know what they're talk being and make -- romney loves a list and he had five things. he had it in memory. >> my plan has five basic parts....
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president obama and his republican challenger mitt romney are spending the weekend preparing for the first presidential debate. the candidates face off in denver wednesday night. some 60 million of us are expected to watch the debate on television. there is a new entry on the national register of historic places. a pet cemetery in sub urban new york. the hartsdale pet cemetery founded in 1896 was the final resting place for 75,000 pets and 700 pet owners. now for the day's weather. it will be raining cats and dogs in the south with scattered showers in the northeast. out west the heat is still on. there are no october surprises in the week ahead. milder autumn weather prevails pretty much all over. next, high tech. high risk. and later... >> your name is so familiar. oh, stop hugging me. reporter: rit a braver >> osgood: i'm sorry. i was just checking my cell phone. a reminder of just how disconnected from our surroundings all of these devices can make us. disconnected is one of the milder things some critics say about our push-button companions. our cover story is reported by susan
president obama and his republican challenger mitt romney are spending the weekend preparing for the first presidential debate. the candidates face off in denver wednesday night. some 60 million of us are expected to watch the debate on television. there is a new entry on the national register of historic places. a pet cemetery in sub urban new york. the hartsdale pet cemetery founded in 1896 was the final resting place for 75,000 pets and 700 pet owners. now for the day's weather. it will be...
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what about mitt romney, though? bill o'reilly offering up his advice this morning on fox and friends. take a listen. >> what romney should be doing right now is watching ronald reagan take apart jimmy carter. now, with this caveat; president obama much quicker than jimmy carter, much. however, the way reagan did it was authoritative but kind of folksy. you've got to take the edge off a little bit -- >> no. >> but you've got to be a little bold and fresh out there. but you've got to do it with more of a twinkle in your eye. if he shows malice, he'll lose. jenna: we'll see what our next guest thinks about that. it's one of governor romney's former debate coaches, brett o'donnell. he's the president of donnell and associates. in addition to coaching governor romney, he's worked with john mccain and president george w. bush. nice to have you on the program. >> good to be with you. jenna: for some of our viewers, how does one become an expert debate coach? did you start out on the debate team in high school? how did you
what about mitt romney, though? bill o'reilly offering up his advice this morning on fox and friends. take a listen. >> what romney should be doing right now is watching ronald reagan take apart jimmy carter. now, with this caveat; president obama much quicker than jimmy carter, much. however, the way reagan did it was authoritative but kind of folksy. you've got to take the edge off a little bit -- >> no. >> but you've got to be a little bold and fresh out there. but you've...
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both barack obama and mitt romney were quick to seize on the numbers. here is our north america editor. >> snow in downtown denver slow down the rush hour, that millions of americans have no need form morning haste -- no need for morning haze. how to create more jobs has been central for this election. unemployment rose after barack obama became president, peaking at just over 10%. today's figure is the first time it has been under 8% for 44 months. >> this morning, we found out that the unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest level since i took office. [applause] >> the good news comes at the end of a bad week for the president where he was widely derided for a lackluster debate performance. now some feel he is back. >> we have made to much progress to return to the policies that led to the crisis in the first place. i cannot allow that to happen. i will not allow that to happen. that is why i am running for a second term as president of the united states. >> blaming unemployment on the president has been central to the case of republicans. >> under
both barack obama and mitt romney were quick to seize on the numbers. here is our north america editor. >> snow in downtown denver slow down the rush hour, that millions of americans have no need form morning haste -- no need for morning haze. how to create more jobs has been central for this election. unemployment rose after barack obama became president, peaking at just over 10%. today's figure is the first time it has been under 8% for 44 months. >> this morning, we found out...